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serious is this? we'll have the details. and paul ryan hasn't helped mitt romney a bit in wisconsin. now the congressman may have trouble hanging on to his own house seat. john nichols will join me with that. we'll be right back. >>> thanks for staying with us tonight. four days out, and the state of the race favors president obama. seriously. now if you look at it, it is never a lock, never going to be a lock. but the facts are here, in the swing states offering president obama is a clear path to victory. he's ahead in the polls and he's rising. in ohio, you've got president obama, he's been leading all along, and as you can see in the latest poll, averaged from real clear politics, he still is. this is why mitt romney is desperately campaigning in pennsylvania. it is a hail mary pass because he knows he's probably going to lose ohio. in wisconsin, president obama maintains a comfortable five-point lead. president obama is also maintaining his lead in nevada. in iowa, president obama is still ahead. the national average is closer, but president obama has been on the rise there as well.
many people voted for his budget? zero. no one voted for his budget. paul ryan and i are going to get america on track to have a balanced budget. he took on -- during his campaign, another big promise. he said he would save medicare. he would pre serve and it protect it and save it from pending insolvency. in stead he cut medicare by $716 billion. he said he was going to have unemployment today down to 5.4%. we're nine million jobs short of that and he has no plan to get this economy going again to put americans to work. you notice there's some numbers he doesn't speak about. he doesn't use the number, 47. that happens to be how many million people are on food stamps today. 15 million more than than when he took office. he doesn't use the number 23 million. that's the number of people struggling to find a good job in this country. the president doesn't have a plan. he is out of ideas. he is out of excuses, and this november florida is going to make sure we put him out of office. [cheering] >> now in 2010, then-president obama came to pensacola. you probably weren't there, but some fol
represent. >> we're going to move on. dr. ryan budget. it's been a huge issue. you this question for you, congresswoman to give repeatedly sought to tie your opponent to the ryan budget. is a very successful strategy that you employed in the special election what you want to see jakarta occupy but given the fact that mitt romney while saying he is on the same page as congressman ryan has outlined plans including for medicare that are substantially different from what right has a post twice now and gendered you voted no on, is this a fair line of attack is. hochul: they are still trying to break the promise made to seniors in 1965 that would have a guarantee program that will pay been since her high school job that money should be waiting for us when we retired. it didn't work in 1960 of any idea of even turn part of it back to the insurance companies basically would jeopardize the solid promise we make your cities. so i understand why their water it down and backpedaling from what they had come and thank god we had an election last year to put the spotlight on whether -- [inaudible] and
are joined now via skype from the campaign trail from niles, ohio by democratic congressman tim ryan, a member of the house budget committee. thanks for coming on. i want to get your reaction to the october unemployment numbers that came out -- 7.9% unemployment rate. 171,000 jobs added in october. your take on what those numbers mean in the near future and long term. guest: they are solid numbers. when think about where we are coming from in ohio to have those numbers moving in the right direction it think is positive. now it's about -- with the election season here -- who will be able to get this economy moving faster. there is a jobs bill in congress. speaker boehner will not bring it up for a vote. it will create up to another 1 million or 2 million jobs. getting people back to work with road and bridges and infrastructure -- teacher, police, and fire -- to take us to the next level. these are solid numbers, but we have more to do. we have to make sure we have a president that will get the job done for us. host: four days out from the election. you say solid numbers. how do you t
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is expected by romney and ryan and the platform would declare the fertilized egg to be a person, and that means that women's bodies throughout our childbearing years would be under government control. but also remember that one in three american women has needed an abortion at some time in her life before she's 45. most of those women who have needed abortions are already mothers, so they absolutely understand that it's important that every child is born loved and wanted. and there are already 35 states in which young women have been deprived of those rights. so we understand it's on the edge. >> what about roe v. wade. mitt romney has said he would work toward overturning roe v. wade. do you truly think it's in danger? >> it's much more than that. it has already been eviscerated in those 35 states for young women, and also for poor women who are dependent on government health care. and the romney-ryan position goes around even the supreme court to support a constitutional amendment to declare the fertilized egg a person. so they could not possibly be more clear. and whether or
. your question goes to mr. murphy. >> we have seen different numbers on what the paul ryan plan would do in the fact to increase costs to seniors, anywhere from $6,350 to about $200 a month. what kind of number can we look at and say this is what a cut will look like under this plan because of a large area of the budget that needs to be looked at? >> that is the kaiser family foundation study. under the ryan plan, 60% of seniors will face cost increases. this is something that needs to be addressed. under their plan, we end medicare as we know it. we need to reach across the aisle and ensure that medicare is there for generations to come. i was talking to seniors and you could see the fear in their eyes, worrying that medicare will be taken from them. we cannot let it happen. we need real solutions. under the affordable care act, they found inefficiencies and they have taken back away from insurance company executives, from the pharmaceuticals, and given it back to seniors, this is what we need to do to bring down the long term cost curve that is driving our costs through the roof. >> we
'm joined now by gloria borger and ryan lizza. thanks, guys. who's got the edge right now and we're getting closer and closer. >> it's hard to say. our head is exploding with all of these polls. but if you look at our -- let's take the state of ohio, which is of course so key to both campaigns. it's hard to see how romney would win the presidency without winning ohio, although they now say they could. although if you look at the internals you see what you've been seeing all along. president obama is up with women about 12 points, mitt romney up with men by 8 points. romney has made some in roads in suburban areas, but in our poll, the president is up with independent voters by about 5 points. what romney needs to keep doing, to get the momentum or to continue a momentum that he had after the first debate is to get those voters out in the suburban areas, married women in particular, that could make the difference for him in the state of ohio, which is so key. but as for overall momentum, we're getting so many polls in every day, you talk to both campaigns and they say their tracking is the b
a message for the world that's watching. we are going to elect mitt romney and paul ryan president and vice president of the united states. >> welcome back to the "the ed show." that of course was the ohio governor last night. he and other conservatives, they're living basically i think in a state of denial. they are casting aside every poll and trying to create this narrative out there that they are just in great shape in the buckeye state. this latest poll tells a different story. the president leads by 6 points. it will be tough for mitt romney to make up that kind of ground in the final days. >> sean hannity, this date has flipped from the blue column to the red column. mitt romney will win ohio and he's going to win ohio easily. >> holy smokes. meanwhile karl rove is acting like mitt romney has already got the thing all wrapped up. >> for the president to have wiped out his victory margin by poor performance in the early voting and the republicans are going to take election day, boeds well for romney for election day. i think ohio is going to be a squeaker, maybe 80, 100, 110,000 vote
a debate, too, with ryan. [applause] in my day, he was talking about more troops in the east, more americans would be there -- we should not have set a date. then along comes romney -- my generation has gone on the wings of a snow white dove, preaching -- preaching love. i tell you what, it was just amazing. when asked, as i asked ryan, congressman ryan, when asked, would he leave, guaranteed leave by 2014. in case you have not noticed, everything on romney-ryan depends. it depends on the hour, the audience, depends on where they are. who they are talking to. it depends on how they feel. it just depends. it depends. i cannot depend on a president for whom everything depends. my grandfather's name was ambrose finnegan, he used to say -- joey, beware of the converted. qhoa, these guys, a real epiphany. on issues related to women -- [applause] by the way, joyce, i cannot tell you how impressed i am with joyce. this is a woman who feels it in her bones. this is a woman who understands it. on the issue of women, the issue of women, they could not bring themselves, they could not bring t
with paul ryan in ohio and the two of them will campaign in that key state. ohio's g.o.p. senator rob portman says the momentum in that state is going in romney's direction. >> i have been at 6 of the rallies over the last week, i have been at about a dozen victory centersarn the state and the energy and enthusiasm's on our side. it's really interesting to watch. but, look, we were down 5 to 10 points before the debate. after the debate, we are about dead even and it's moving our way. >> reporter: the first romney/ryan event starts in a couple of hours today. >> shannon: thank you very much. keep it here. in the next hour, i will ask the virginia republican governor, how canceling three campaign evens in his state could affect romney's chances there. we have been seeing a lot of political ads on tv, but if you live in a swing state, you may be overwhelmed and sick of them. we want to know, if you live in a swingswing state, are you tired of the ads, phone calls and polling, if not, do you feel like you recall being ignored? hurricane sandy, the super storm is pounding the east coast.
republicans. this is a title but it's a lot of attention and thanks to mitt romney and paul ryan and got a lot of attention they literally rush to google after watching the convention and what's the matter with white people. so i want to think sam. [applause] but, you know, a lot of the commentary focused on the nostalgia republicans seem to feel for the golden age. as i describe in my title, and we can say that that is racism or sexism and some of it no doubt is. but i think it's important for us as progressives, those of us here that are progressive i hope we have some republicans, too. i think it's important to think about the golden age was and that there was a golden age for some americans and it coincided with my growing up. i felt like i was the last generation of people to whom the country really kept its promises. although with mitt romney and paul ryan got elected they would break the promise is since just under 55. we will have a chance to break promises to feel like it will be great. but, the golden age when we think about it it really was the result of the great depression and wor
next, an ohio congressman tim ryan discussing the role i will have in shaping the outcome of this election. to later, sudeep reddy discuss the latest job numbers. >> these are the stories are textbooks left out, great stories about people in american history. very important moments that we don't know about. the first children -- the first pilgrims came over, they were french and had the good sense to land in florida in june and they were wiped out by the spanish, but that story is left out of the textbooks. the most famous woman in america was taken captive by the indians in 1685 and in the middle of the night she killed her captor. she realized she could get a bounty for indian scalps and she made her way to boston where she was a heroine. they erected a statue to hurt. -- to her. >> kenneth davis on "in depth." he is the best-selling author of the "don't know much" series. >> i have watched shows on the weekends of an interview politicians when they talk about what they're doing in conagra's, they're different opinions. it >> i wanted to see that and i know it was on c-s
state university. tonight mitt romney and paul ryan will be joined by their wives on the campaign trail, in westchester, ohio. also joining them is condoleezza rice and senator john mccain. that is at 7:30 on c-span. the amount we have to create an environment that our small businesses can thrive. when we look at the uniqueness on the border different from the reform metered -- needed, we need comprehensive immigration reform. we have a work force problem because of our immigration system is broken. we cannot get workers to go back and forth. these problems create an impediment to commerce. we have to provide a workforce that can move back and forth easily, and now we cannot do that because of the impediments that are there by not having an effective immigration policy. that becomes an economic issue. >> some of the issues have to do with what was raised here with regard to be near the border, seasonal work that comes on, and being susceptible to a national trend when it comes to the economy. we need to do things desperately yuma. yuma, one thing we have to avoid is the sequestration th
show tied in new hampshire where romney has vacation home, and wisconsin, paul ryan's home state and iowa where president leads by six. democrats warn it's closer than that. in colorado, romney has the edge. 50-47. within the rasmussen margin of error. even the ground game to get out the vote looks like a tossup. the latest pew research study says across the country obama campaign reached 11% of likely voters. only 10% for the romney campaign. look at the swing state. the romney campaign has an edge to reach 14% of likely voters, only 13 from the obama camp. >> bret: carl, thank you. president obama switching things up a bit. for the final push. chief white house correspondent ed henry is with the president in las vegas. >> wardrobe change for president obama. flashing a bomber jacket from air force one to remind even he is still commander-in-chief for now. and while aides are also promising a change in message, with a new more positive tone in his final case -- >> our fight goes on because we know this nation cannot succeed. without a growing, thying middle class. >> he is still
nonstop. vice president is in colorado and paul ryan is holding rallies in pennsylvania, virginia, florida, and ohio. so ohio indeed could be the biggest battleground of the election. the race there is very tight. a just released cnn/orc poll shows obama ahead by just three points, well within the margin of error. an nbc/"wall street journal" poll shows a wider gap with obama leading by six points. president obama is about to speak at a rally in mentor, ohio. he is at least in the building, we understand. and so is our white house correspond dan loathian. the president's schedule is packed today. he isn't just campaigning. he is also keeping a close watch on the storm which he says really is his first priority. >> reporter: that's correct. white house officials saying that president did get updates, briefings overnight. this morning he went to fema headquarters in washington to get a briefing in person, to get a sense of what is taking place with regards to the flooding, the power situation. he had some of his top officials in the room with him. he also spoke via video conference with the
is dubbed the romney-ryan real recovery road rally and begins with who's who of congressman and governors and luminaries to spanning out through 11 battleground through the weekend. romney visits virginia tomorrow when the new national unemployment numbers are scheduled for release and wraps up in new hampshire, where the national telegraph newspaper that backed him four years ago endorsed romney today. >> on the romney press bus as we roll toward evening rally in jacksonville. romney campaign held teleconference with reporters this afternoon and said winning is possible, though not certain. they said they are exactly where they would hope to be in the final week of the campaign, with the battleground state of the polls virtually tied. they point out when it comes to favorability, romney is ahead of president obama. bret? >> bret: technology, carl cameron, rolling on the bus. carl, thank you. ♪ ♪ >> bret: this is a fox news alert. late breaking details in the ongoing scandal on the attack of the u.s. consulate on benghazi, libya, that killed the u.s. ambassador and three others there.
instead. the vice president continues on tuesday to ohio. congressman ryan is spending the weekend in ohio on a four hundred mile bus tour. we showed you heard it -- showed you his appearance earlier. mitt romney has canceled a number of events tomorrow and is instead campaigning in ohio with paul ryan. on monday, obama will head to the florida institute of technology. in about half an hour, we will take you live to lynchburg for the event with vice-president joe biden and his wife. until then, a look at the battleground state of north carolina from this morning's "washington journal. tell us what makes north carolina battleground state. guest: traditionally, it has been a red state. it is moving more and more into a competitive state, and there are several reasons why. one of the things our organization does is ask every year the voters where they stand in terms of conservative level. only florida and virginia, in terms of southern states, are to the left, so it is pretty divided. it also has political progressives, so it has been pretty much a modern state traditionally. there has been a
but address the challenges we face, you have a ryan plan that not once, but twice my opponent voted for that continues to give additional benefits and cuts to the most fortunate americans, additional subsidies to large oil companies and companies shipping jobs overseas. and to pay for that it is asking seniors to take medicare, the medicare guarantee and turn it into a voucher which will cost seniors $6400 a year more. taking students and asking them to pay more for loans, cutting pell grants. it's taking middle class families and increasing their taxes -- >> moderator: i'm hearing you say the general sense of fairness, this 70/30 that you've come up with. congressman, you signed a pledge for grover norquist's americans for tax reform to never raise taxes, but now you're saying you would consider deficit reduction solutions that would include increased revenue. why the change? dold: well, certainly if you're going to lower rates or raise rates in one area, you've got to lower them in another. and i don't believe that raising taxes is necessarily the answer -- >> moderator: but you'r
with mitt romney and paul ryan. [applause] >> let me ask you, will you do everything you can do to ensure we can bring back america's promise. are you going to do it? put up your hand if you're going to make phone calls, commit to mitt today. let me see your hands. commit to mitt. this year, in ohio, you can commit early to mitt. go down to lorraine, 1985 north ridge road and vote early. you can leave after the event here -- and then on election day we cna find five people we know to get to the polls to commit to mitt. going for it. and we have to help the republican team. he needs a team that is with him. we have to make sure jim is reelected. jim jordan, bob gibbs are here. and i want to be the senior senator from ohio. we need josh mandel in ohio. we need him now. you know, president obama -- over the last four years has made a lot of decisions. some of them, he siad would result in new jobs that haven't happened. he said he'd cut the deficit. it hasn't happened. we have someone who is running for president who knows how to bring back jobs. he has the experience. he has the experience and
uaw workers that are here. it is the policies that mitt romney and paul ryan want to put in place that will make the auto industry strong -- [indiscernbile] he wants sensible regulations. he wants tax reform that will ensure we can get the auto companies back on their feet. he wants to make sure that trade is fair. he wants workers trained to work better for them. he wants their energy costs now. that is what will keep energy -- otter jobs here in ohio. that is what mitt romney is going to. balks, we are in the fourth quarter. the score is tied. we're in the red zone. we got the momentum on our side. are we going to be sure that we take mitt romney over the goal line in the next eight days? ladies and gentlemen, the next president of the united states, mitt romney. b >> thank you. what an avon lake welcome. thank you so very much. thank you, senator portman, and the lieutenant governor has been going with us all over the state. her support means everything in the world. the senator was my sparring partner. he was really strong. i finally -- it is nice not to argue with him all the
it better. >> paul ryan on the campaign trail. you know, we'll have to wait and see how this all pans out. interesting that all of the tv ads, all of this money everererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererer (vo) this election, there's a new sheriff in town, and she's going to cut through the noise. wanda sykes will be keeping it simple, boiling it down, shaving the head of this beast ... >> ah, shut your yap! (vo) oh. >> hey. watch the show. i'll have experts make sense of [bleep] so you can vote smart. (vo) it's an all new election special. (vo) wanda sykes. breaking the election down like a >> shut up! ♪ ♪ the trucks are going farther. the new 2013 ram 1500. ♪ ♪ with the best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth. ♪ ♪ guts. glory. ram. ♪ just put a little bit of yourself ♪ ♪ in everything you do ♪ [ female announcer ] add your own ingredients to hamburger helper for a fresh take on a quick, delicious meal. it's one box with hundreds of possibilities. [ woman ] ring. ring. progr
in the philadelphia area and paul ryan to pittsburgh. for 40 visits between labor day and election day in 2008. now we are just the surrogate capital. josh romney, and romney, debbie wasserman shultz. we're not getting the main . getting the main lineres. host: will that change in the next nine days? guest: i'm sure you'll hear more about that from robert gleason and the argument that pennsylvania could still be in play. the race has gotten very stable. as the context has changed nationally, it cold present on obama from a 7, 8, 9 point lead. the range was then 7-10. now the range is 5-7. as it narrowed nationally, pennsylvania remains on the cusp of whether or not it will be competitive. host: here is the map in the last two elections. pennsylvania is referred to as pennsylvania and pittsburgh with a "t" in the middle. erie, the greater pittsburgh area and the eastern part of the state most notably around philadelphia. loretta from pennsylvania, republican line with terry madonna. caller: hello? host: you're on the air. caller:ok. my comment is i think obama should be impeached for allowing the ambas
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of congressman ryan, and that would be governor romney's running mate. so maybe defying conventional wisdom, wisconsin is leaning fairly heavily in president obama's favor. >> reporter: that's right. now, paul ryan has been seen as an asset, obviously, to governor romney and he has been making a whole lot of appearances. i'll tell you, the crowd behind me is getting excited, ashleigh, because air force one is taxing over towards us where president obama is going to be coming out shortly and making his remarks. yes, paul ryan has been an asset to governor romney. it's why some are saying the race here has been pretty tight, although there is a small lead, a consistent lead, for president obama. today we saw "wall street journ journal" nbc news poll, three points up the president is here in wisconsin. yesterday there was a poll in milwaukee, a marquette university poll that had the president up by much more, eight points. you talk to the obama campaign, they'll point to that marquette poll and they'll say it's more accurate. it seems likie internal polls ae in between the two. the bottom line
that are going to be asked to pay $2,000 more under the ryan budget plan that my opponent supports. $100 billion and a savings every year. the report is sitting on a shelf. it has a proposal such as merging the small business administration with the department of commerce. it has proposals like getting rid of redundant services. for instance, job training programs. there are 44 redundant job training programs that we can do away with. >> the same questions with specifics justice, schilling. >> i believe you start with the top and lead by example. my opponent talks about the mail as i said. -- the mailers that i sent. i invested less than 50 cents per constituent in the district. we spent money communicating with our constituents but at the same time, we spent less on office is that what my predecessor is spent on 1. my payroll was about $40,000 less than my predecessor. one of the cuts, asset and the agricultural committee. -- one of the cuts, i sit on the ag committee. one of the cuts saved $16 billion. what the cut does, i believe he did not take anything away from those that chilly needed if
anything to do with responsibility. host: thank you for the call. eight romney ryan white house, it could happen. -- a romney-biden white house, it could happen. the magic number is 270 electoral college votes to win the big prize. according to the web site, there are now 11 battleground states and statistically, 32 possibilities for up for grabs it states that could produce a 269 vote electoral college tight end. based on this site's simulated polls, the mathematical probability of a tie increasing almost fourfold in recent weeks. it runs the various scenarios of what happens if it goes to the u.s. house of representatives. this is a scenario where mitt romney and joe biden could win. the democrats have control of the senate, and the republicans have control of the house of representatives. brenda is on the phone from north carolina. is there is an election dispute, what happens next? thatr: let's hope and pray we do not have an election dispute. with the supreme court appointing george bush in 2000, that will not be good for the country. we need to make sure that everybody votes that ha
ryan is expected to kick off an event any minute from now. joining me now is keith boykin, dominico montenaro. you have the campaign goes on sort of, but at this point what does "sort of" apply to? you have big events canceled at in the point, 19 in all as i mentioned so far. >> i think this morning a lot of events were still on, and then they decided to halt a lot of that. the only person you saw on tv today was president obama putting his president hat on. man, we have eight days to go, and those are precious days for both campaigns to get out there and be able to win over some of these undecided voters or get their voters out, especially with early voting going on. we see right now a big pause on the campaign and president obama more in the spotlight with mitt romney taking a back seat because president obama is in charge of the government. that's just the way it is. >> that is the way it is, but that did not stop at least some campaigning going on for the governor. as i mentioned, you have this eef event with paul ryan and bill clinton in florida. he was supposed to be in florid
events in virginia yesterday. instead, he joined paul ryan on a bus tour of ohio. >> i know that right now some people in the country are a little nervous about a storm about to hit the coast, and our thoughts and prayers are with the people that find themselves in harm's way. >> of course, it couldn't come at a more important time politically. there's a new tracking poll out. it shows the president aahead of romney 49% to 48%. that's a three point swing in his direction from last week. before we get to politics, i want to bring in meteorologist bill karins to give us the latest on the storm. bill, where sandy is taking a slight left turn, right? >> she started the turn. this is the amazing part of the storm, history-making part of the storm. what's incredible is this is still a hurricane towards the end of october, and not only is it still a hurricane, it looks like it strengthens before landfall. we have 10 hours to go before landfall. this may not be a hybrid storm at landfall. it may be a plain, old hurricane. look at what i'm talking about on the screen. i circled the eye of the s
-growing automaker in the world. what's happened? what's ryan's and romney's response? desperation. desperation. >> bill: yeah and vice president biden, he didn't call it misleading. he didn't call it exaggeration. he called it exactly what it is. >> that's what the ad says. it is an outrageous lie. a lie. a lie that is so deceptive and so blatantly untrue that the chrysler corporation including the chairman of the board of chrysler, they actually spoke up. they don't want to get involved in presidential politics. but they spoke up. they called it -- i'm going to quote -- "a leap that would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats." [ laughter ] >> bill: it just shows you to what lengths mitt romney will go. say anything, do anything, tell any lie. here's my question to you. do you think it will work? do you think he can get away with it? do you think the american people have it -- they finally can see through the b.s., can see through the lies and will reject mitt romney and his lies and his willingn
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